by generalsjoes | May 30, 2012 | G.I. Joe, G.I. Joe 2, G.I. Joe 2: Retaliation, G.I. Joe: The Movie
We’ve heard it from a number of different sources, and the story is starting to become more and more clear, and now industry insider Nikke Finke has spoken up on Deadline.com about the delay for G.I. Joe: Retaliation.
The story is starting to sound familiar.
Yes, according to Ms. Finke, the reasons behind the G.I. Joe: Retaliation delay were much more than simply a conversion to 3D or “bad screenings”. Sure, those played a part, but there were also other elements at work, too. According to Paramount insiders, the screening response wasn’t so much that the film was bad, it was more centered around the fact that Roadblock and Duke didn’t really establish a great friendship and that Duke died way too early in the film. There were also responses to the screening that asked why there was a lack of 3D in the first place.
Combining this with earlier talk that both John Carter of Mars and Battleship tanked domestically, Paramount became skittish of the surrounding competition, and elected to vacate to safer territory. The interesting note to all of this is not just that both John Carter and Battleship did much better internationally (which they both did), but that the big draw internationally was the 3D in both films.
This is the full context of what the Paramount source had to say:
“This was a case of letting a schedule to fill a summer slot dictate the film not being in 3D even though we knew that would be the most commercial version of the film. Then in the spring there were 2 big events. First John Carter lost $200M despite the best efforts of the Pixar brain trust. But the 3D film managed to gross over $200M overseas, nearly tripling its U.S. take.
“Also Channing Tatum had a breakout spring, starring in The Vow and 21 Jump Street. In our first screening of the film the reaction from audiences was good but with 2 big concerns: 1) They didn’t like the fact that Channing and The Rock really didn’t have any time to develop a friendship before Channing died, and 2) Why wasn’t it going to be in 3D? We went back and shot another week with Channing to develop more of his story with The Rock, which made the film play much better. But we didn’t have the time to be in 3D.
“Then a week ago Battleship basically had the same performance as John Carter – $60M-$70M U.S. and just over $200M international. That was just a wake-up call that said to us we need to offer the best version of the film irrespective of summer market share to ensure the best possible performance. And not being in 3D will cost us a ton of business internationally.”
I think it’s fair to say, now that we’ve heard from a number of industry sources that this is probably the prevailing wisdom behind the news. It’s not nearly the “doom and gloom” that many people fear in regards to the film’s quality, it was mostly a combination of different things that led us to this. Where we go from here is the important next step.
I will say, I haven’t seen this many industry folks talk about the G.I. Joe film franchise in the past, perhaps all of this visible conversation is good for the film in the long run? Maybe it will spark interest from some people and put it more on the “Hollywood Radar”. Along with Deadline.com, the Hollywood Reporter is also chiming in with their own analysis, that puts a bit of a more sinister focus on it, but is still talking about the film. Time will tell.
Check out Deadline.com for the full story.
by generalsjoes | May 29, 2012 | G.I. Joe, G.I. Joe 2, G.I. Joe 2: Retaliation, G.I. Joe: The Movie
We’ve obviously been seeing a lot of talk online about the date move for G.I. Joe: Retaliation, but most of it from the mainstream sites has just been a mention, and then moving on. Patrick Goldstein from the LA Times’ “Big Picture” actually put out some very nice and detailed analysis of the move.
So far his opinions are coming pretty close to mirroring mine. In fact, he thinks much the same way I do in that this isn’t just Battleship’s fault, you need to look further back to John Carter of Mars as well, in setting a precedent for failure that major studios are suddenly growing very skittish of.
Check out the post right here. It’s a great read.
by generalsjoes | May 29, 2012 | 12" Scale, Avengers, Comics and Cartoons, Dollar Store, G.I. Joe, G.I. Joe 2, G.I. Joe 2: Retaliation, G.I. Joe 25th Anniversary, G.I. Joe Collectors Club, G.I. Joe Comics, G.I. Joe Retaliation Toys, G.I. Joe Special Ops, G.I. Joe Toys, G.I. Joe Video Game, G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero, G.I. Joe: The Movie, Podcasts, What's on Joe Mind
Did you ever want to go back in time? Back to the simpler times… back to the times before we found out G.I. Joe: Retaliation was delayed for nine months?
Now you can! Hot on the heels of the biggest G.I. Joe story in years, we give you Episode 56 of What’s on Joe Mind where we discuss none of it! In our defense, we have valid reasons for that, considering we recorded it before the news hit. Regardless, there were still plenty of great things to discuss this episode, as we bring on Gary “Gyre-Viper” Head from the JoeDeclassified SpecOps Podcast to talk a little bit about the JoeDeClassified project and what convention attendees might expect to see at the booth.
Arune Singh from Marvel Comics joins us as well as we continue our pushed towards JoeCon and G.I. Joe: Retaliation… err… crap. As always, hit up our Podbean Page, or just check out the embedded player below. Show Notes as usual are after the jump.
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by generalsjoes | May 27, 2012 | G.I. Joe, G.I. Joe 2, G.I. Joe 2: Retaliation, G.I. Joe: The Movie
I’m going to try very hard not to be melodramatic, but I will say over the past few days there has been a lot of thinking, analysis, and a lot of talking out the recently revealed issues with the G.I. Joe: Retaliation film. From a fandom perspective, we were all so geeked out and so fired up about what we saw in the trailers, it was easy for us as a collective group to ignore any potential that the film might not live up to our lofty expectations.
I think we were all so certain this film couldn’t possibly fall below the standard set by G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra, when word started coming out that early screenings revealed some potential issues with the film’s quality, combined with the nine month delay and rumors of product recalls, the sudden chaos brought by all of the combined changes has thrown the fandom for a loop. There has been quite a bit of discussion, and yes quite a bit of rage out there, and frankly, it’s hard to say it’s not justified.
But I’ve been doing quite a bit of introspection myself over the past couple of days, and as folks have come to expect from the site, I’d like to offer a rosier outlook than many have been discussing (here on GeneralsJoes certainly included).
Yes, the film is being delayed. Yes, quite a bit of product will not see store shelves in 2012. But, no this is not the end of the world. Read on to read my thoughts.
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by generalsjoes | May 27, 2012 | G.I. Joe, G.I. Joe 2, G.I. Joe 2: Retaliation, G.I. Joe: The Movie
So last night I put out the call, and I had some great responders who listened to the KERN Radio segment on AICN last night in order to get some details about the apparent reaction to the G.I. Joe: Retaliation screenings.
From the sounds of “Caller X” and his feedback from the film…well, it sounds like things weren’t good.
In fact, it’s sounding more and more likely that there will be some reshoots done over the next nine months in order to bring Duke back to life. At this point it’s unknown whether these reshoots will also make drastic changes to the script or film itself, but something tells me they’re not going to do anything dramatic. I’m not sure if 9 months is quite enough time to change things significantly, especially if the stars filming schedules don’t allow it.
For Spoiler sake, I’ll keep the actual reports after the jump. You can read them below. THERE ARE SPOILERS BELOW.
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by generalsjoes | May 26, 2012 | G.I. Joe, G.I. Joe 2, G.I. Joe 2: Retaliation, G.I. Joe: The Movie
Well, I gotta admit, this is way past my bedtime, but I’m hoping maybe someone might want to take one for the team here… tonight, “Hercules”, a representative from Aint It Cool News will be recording a radio show entitled “Ask Dr. KERN”.
Hot on the heels of the delay of G.I. Joe: Retaliation, Hercules will apparently be talking tonight to someone who actually saw one of the initial screenings for G.I. Joe: Retaliation! I would assume they will be talking up the details and hopefully getting to the bottom of things…was the film really bad, or is it just a competition type of thing?
The show airs from 8:00pm Pacific through 10:00pm Pacific tonight, so I’m counting on some GeneralsJoes readers to tune in and report! You can listen to the show live at KernRadio.com so I’m hoping someone might want to check it out and write down some notes.
If you do get some intel, please feel free to email it in to me and I’ll get a story posted about it! I’m dying to hear more information about the screening and its potential positives and negatives, but I don’t see myself making it through 1:00am Eastern tonight, so any assistance would be great.
Or heck, if you just want to listen yourself, check it out KernRadio.com, and the full details can be found on AICN itself. A big thanks to Russ Sheath for the heads up!