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Articulation and G.I. Joe: Retaliation – the elephant in the room

It was immediately obvious when I approached Derryl DePriest and began speaking that they knew articulation was an issue that was going to arise today.  Between Mr. DePriest and designer John Warden, there were a lot of articulation questions flying around, and as many of us suspected, it all boils down to cost.

Yes, of course there are costs associated with new tooling for figures that are 5 points of articulation, but as explained from Mr. DePriest, it’s more than just the new tooling.  Manufacturing costs for figures with that many joints and movement points are extremely expensive above and beyond the tooled parts, so even using existing tooling was cost prohibitive in most cases.

They weighed this fact with the idea that many of these vehicles were being geared for children, who would do little more than slam the figure in the cockpit and drive it around, and the decision was made…if they had to cut articulation, the drivers were the best place to do it.  It is a constant battle between quality of the product and the costs that can be absorbed creating that product, and in a year when they are trying to build the brand back up, they have to be extremely prudent.

John Warden also brought up some interesting discussion points in regard to costs of vehicle production.  As a fandom, we’ve been complaining pretty heavily about vehicle size, and they’ve taken that into consideration.  By reducing articulation and reducing costs associated with the vehicles, they can balance things out and end up producing vehicles that are a bit larger than we might be used to.  The Ghost Hawk II is a perfect example.  This vehicle was surprisingly large I thought when I was in the showroom, and I honestly didn’t think Hasbro would be able to make it the size I would have wanted, but they did, and some of that is due to costs saved with reduced articulation.

So even though it seems to many of us that the trade off isn’t worth while, we are getting a somewhat larger vehicle, and some other very nicely designed vehicles to go along with it.  Mr. Warden confirmed that the heads of the driver figures are totally swappable to normal figures and he even name dropped Rock n Roll as being an inspiration for the Clutch figure.  It sounded to me like there was much careful consideration and financial analysis done, short term and long term, and the articulation changes are going to save money, which could mean better things in the future.  I’m not happy with the way the driver figures look, but the vehicles are excellent, by and large, and the toyline is very nice as well.

As for the single pack figures…John Warden also confirmed that some of those figures have reduced articulation, but as I deduced on a recent episode of What’s on Joe Mind, it’s due to form and function.  Articulation is given on an “as needed” basis, so generic troopers might not get the full range of motion, but the ninjas do.  Another example was that the first release of Roadblock won’t have double knees or ankles, but the Wave 2 “Battle Kata” version will, because he’s got more training.

Cutting articulation is not something anyone wants.  Not the fans and not the Hasbro designers.  But financial justifications seemed to warrant it in this case.  Don’t worry about it overtaking the line, that is not a concern.

GeneralsJoes Coverage of Toy Fair 2012 – Quick shots and images

Good evening!

Well, I tossed up a massive clump of images a little over an hour ago on the train ride, and I’m here now to refine things a little bit and make a little more sense of what we saw today.  This information is all cobbled together from various notes and speaking with some Hasbro folks at the show itself.

While G.I. Joe seemed a bit out of place among the Transformers, Marvel, and Star Wars brands, the Joe team folks were quick to give reasons for that.  While those three brands are enjoying consistent years of build up, G.I. Joe is sort of “resetting” with the G.I. Joe: Retaliation film.  While those other brands are building upon already strong foundations, the Joe brand is trying to create that foundation this year, so they have things to build on going forward.

G.I. Joe is scaling back, but there is still a healthy presence this year with over 50 figures and 9 vehicles, which is pretty impressive, all told.  30th Anniversary probably only gave us around half of that, or perhaps a little more.

Figures will start hitting beginning of June.  Official “Street date” is May 29th, but as retailers catch up, some might fall behind that just a bit.

Because the movie was moved up, Hasbro didn’t have a lot of time to get movie accurate figures in stores, so the actual movie accurate product will hit retail around July with Wave 2.

Now for pictures!  Click the read the rest of the entry link below for all of the image goodness.

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Toy Fair 2012 Initial Image upload

Quite a whirlwind day today at the Hasbro Toy Fair event as usual, but with a bunch of very cool G.I. Joe: Retaliation stuff revealed! Here is a quick image dump of various items that were on display today at Toy Fair. I will be working throughout the night tonight to refine and get a much more organized, cohesive look at the upcoming G.I. Joe: Retaliation toys.

Enjoy this quick slam of images, and keep your eyes peeled to GeneralsJoes as I rotate images, organize them, and plan on getting the Retaliation toy SuperPage completely updated for Toy Fair!

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What’s on Joe Mind Episode 41 is online

Just in time for my drive to New York City tomorrow for Toy Fair…  Episode 41 of What’s on Joe Mind is now online!  Join us as we combine forces with StarJoes and discuss all the latest and greatest G.I. Joe news and information swirling around cyberspace.

StarJoes turns the tables on us a bit and we spend some time in the interview chair, all while talking G.I. Joe: Retaliation and making way too many jokes about the Super Bowl Champions (in Nicaragua, anyway).  Check out the latest episode on our Podbean site, or hit up the embedded player below.

Show Notes

How many Patriots jokes can we fit into one episode?  We give it our best shot this time as we do our second ever crossover episode, this time with the Ryan and Chuck from the Star Joes Podcast!  Now you all have met Chuck before, so this time we get to meet Ryan and learn a little bit more about him and the chemistry between he and Chuck that makes Star Joes a podcast that you should listen to – immediately after our show of course, shameless plug not withstanding.  Much of the first half of the show is run by Ryan as we have a mini Star Joes episode including the WOJM guys into their regular show segments.  In the second half we are joined by Craig from the Fwooshcast once more and we revert back to WOJM mode starting first with the mailbag where we get an update from our favorite active duty Marine, Will Bell.  Will’s tour is now complete and he is home from Afghanistan, but that is not the full story.  We also read and answer a letter from Vince who asks how do we feel about being the unofficial voice of the hobby and whether or not we use our respective show powers for what is good and right or use our voices as a bully pulpit to forward any agendas we might have. In the news, we talk about the new Movie 2 toys and the new Movie 2 trailers that we saw during the Super Bowl and we begin to look toward Toy Fair in New York City, home of the World Champion Giants. Trailers, Toys and a beaten Tom Brady.  Join us and the fellas from Star Joes…oh, AND Craig too; all on this episode of WOJM!   How ’bout them Patriots!?

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G.I. Joe: Retaliation prequel comic preview online at Comics Alliance

If you’re anything like me, you’re absolutely dying for G.I. Joe: Retaliation news or info.  Well, next week we should be getting our first look at the G.I. Joe: Retaliation universe courtesy of IDW’s prequel series, which hits comic stores on Wednesday.

If you’re impatient like I am, good news!  Comics Alliance has posted the five-page preview to the series, which catapults you right into a air battle between G.I. Joe and the Red Ninjas!  This initial adventure apparently takes place “several years ago…”  I do sincerely hope the entire 4-issue limited series doesn’t take place “several years ago” because I was hoping for some bridging between Rise of Cobra and Retaliation.  I guess time will tell.

I won’t mirror all the images here, instead you should hit up Comics Alliance for the awesome preview, and be sure to get to your local comic store on Wednesday to buy the full issue and start your G.I. Joe: Retaliation adventures!

Toy Fair 2012 this weekend – Coverage at GeneralsJoes.com

Good morning!

Just a reminder – Toy Fair 2012 is this weekend, and Hasbro’s showroom tour is happening tomorrow, February 11th!  GeneralsJoes will be present and accounted for, and providing coverage throughout the afternoon.

If you don’t follow me on Twitter, I strongly encourage you to do so, as I will be Live Tweeting from the demonstration, which often is several hours prior to images being uploaded.  As the evening progresses, I will get images online!

Keep your eyes peeled and follow GeneralsJoes on Twitter for the latest intel from the show.