Well, it’s not a whole lot, but beggars can’t be choosers, right?
The Hub debuted at 10:00am this morning, and immediately featured a promotional sizzle for the station, including a few scant seconds of Renegades footage as well as some decent footage of Transformers: Prime. Check out the YouTube link below!
Well not sure what to think.
In all honesty the two secs of Joe footage for once didn’t look like absolute garbage, and it sure looked A LOT better than the horrendous Transformers offerings.
Still, at this point, having seen all the previews and art presented here I have absolutely no intention of watching this, even if I could, seeing as I can’t find any TV provider here who will offer the Hub.
Given the outright hatred this new cartoon has been getting all over the GIJoe websites (the greatest amount of hold-outs seeming to be on this very website) I do wonder if we’ll get the toys (if they are still launching second half next year) after the cartoon has already been cancelled. That would be pretty funny.
Hahaha! You are absolutely right, HW, that WOULD be hilarious, especially after short-sheeting the PoC line, not to mention the Resolute one as well.
*Well, it’s not a whole lot, but beggars can’t be choosers, right?*
Ironically, YES, yes we can be choosers and not just beggars. All that has to be done is to cease the yes amn act and stand up and let Hasbro know that we as fans and avid supporters of GI Joe aren’t WILLING to accept their crap anymore, not when we KNOW they are capable of so much better. If we keep our heads down and just keep saying, “Yes Massah”, we’ll keep getting crapped on like the slaves did back in the day. It’s the giddy, no-matter-what supporters that are suckers for anything with a Joe logo on it, that have us continually getting junk instead of superior quality, because they won’t really complain about anything, they just say “yes, please, may I have some more, sir?” and so those of us with a higher standard get shafted along with everyone else.
So, yeah, we DO have a choice. To either be part of the problem or part of the solution. I prefer to be part of the solution, and continue to stand against this pathetic low quality cartoon. And yes, the Sunbow/DiC cartoons were low quality, but at that point in time, they were about the best animation guys in the States could muster, while the Japanese were turning out awesome animations even back then. NOW, however, we HAVE options and higher quality. MAKE them use it.
Actually, has anyone else noticed that we seem to get superior product during the downtime of Hasbro’s main concepts? The times when they let their “other guys” just do what they want?
Resolute (as detailed in the interviews on the DVD) was an inbetween project and the guys were given pretty much free reign as Hasbro worked on the next big project (RoC).
Pursuit of Cobra is a filler line between the lackluster RoC line (though it did get a LOT better once it stopped doing movie figures) and the upcoming Renegades.
I’m still hoping against hope PoC gets stretched out a bit more. They could easily fit two more waves…or add a few more figures to the bare bones wave 3 & 4. There was that dark CG head at the show on the display……
All too true!
Also, do you think anyone else noticed that Hasbro used a massive explosion and Snake Eyes chopping a bunch of crap up with his sword, in those 2 seconds of animation, to make this sad Renegades/hubfest display “look” cool? How many of them will actually care about this until they see the OTHER 19 minutes and 50 seconds of SUCK when the first episode airs? Yeah, I doubt they’ll be as thrilled then, but I’m still not going for the lies and misdirection, I see where the magician’s hands REALLY are…pulling the puppet strings of the audience…
QUALITY people! Stand up for QUALITY!!
So, you both freely admit that the animation DOES look cool, but you’re both also totally resistant to accept the fact that Renegades just might actually be okay?
In fact, Silent Master seems intent on believing this is some big conspiracy?
Not only that, but are you honestly comparing fan opinions of a cartoon made for 7-year olds to Slavery?
All righty then.
What Justin said. Sheesh.
Just because the animation looks decent doesn’t mean the show will be any good. Quite honestly, everything I’ve seen just leaves me thinking they could have done better things with the plot/storyline. I’m not going to say it’s complete crap until the season is actually over and we see where everything goes, but right now it just doesn’t interest me at all.
whoah, talk about totally misunderstanding what I said.
I said the two seconds they showed and I quote “didn’t look like absolute garbage”….that equal “looks good” to you ?
I won’t give this a chance because I know artists, lots of them that are increadibly talented. My best friends toddler draws better than what we’ve seen of this project. So my protest here is against that. No quality of story will make me feel any better about it anyway. I’ve tried with comics which have atrocious art but good stories. I can’t do it. I feel like someone ripped me off everytime I buy one. I hate that feeling. This is no different.
It’s kind of like if they made an action figure you absolutely hated and said you weren’t going to buy, and I got mad because you weren’t willing to wait to see what the price was.
It’s an “it doesn’t make a difference after what I already know” situation.
*So, you both freely admit that the animation DOES look cool, but you’re both also totally resistant to accept the fact that Renegades just might actually be okay?*
Uhmm…NO. This is NOT what either of us said. What we were alluding to, is that they just pulled probably what amounts to the “best” bits of what animation they have so far, in a feeble attempt to draw in those who are more susceptible to being excited by 2 seconds of ninja action and an explosion… Now exactly where exactly does that translate into both or either of us liking it or thinking it’s cool, especially after we’ve repeatedly stated just how uninspired the designs are and how bland the animation itself will be based upon the lackluster images we’ve seen thus far? It just isn’t going to get any better than the plainjane stuff we’ve seen already.
Also, HW merely said the animation didn’t look like TOTAL garbage, but yet better than the TFs crap. This is a FAR cry from saying that he thinks it looks cool, or even remotely so.
*In fact, Silent Master seems intent on believing this is some big conspiracy?
Not only that, but are you honestly comparing fan opinions of a cartoon made for 7-year olds to Slavery?*
Again, NO. No, and I specifically mentioned that it had nothing to do with any “conspiracy” of any kind, on another related thread…one of the MANY pertaining to RENEGADES. What I was saying is that some (a lot) of you are VERY easily impressed by whatever Hasbro tosses out for the masses with a Joe logo splashed on it, very quick to say “Oh yes we love it, or at least have to have it, even if it isn’t always great!”, and then buy it all up out of fear that Hasbro will stop producing anything Joe at all, which is complete nonsense.
All we as fans really have to do to get better quality anything, whether toys, cartoons or comics or whatever, is stand up and say we aren’t happy with it and then stick together until they see that we really aren’t going to be satisfied with junk and that we expect quality. How is that a conspiracy? That’s just us as Joe fans letting the company know that we aren’t satisfied and expect better from them, and until we give them that united message, we’ll never really have that consistently. The reason being is that so many of you guys continue to be “yes men”, supporting ANYTHING they trot out.
No offense to your enthusiasm or anything, and it really isn’t personal, so try not to take it that way, okay?… but this is how a good many of us see it, and everytime we speak up and say so, we get blasted for “hating” on Hasbro and those of you who “love” everything they do seemingly, or we get accused of seeing some conspiracy. I don’t appreciate it personally, especially when the header of every thread says, and I quote:
“Why not let us know what you think by adding your own comment! Your opinion is as valid as anyone elses, so come on… let us know what you think.”
Well, this is what I and many others are doing, expressing opinions, letting you KNOW what WE think, and I’m not trying to speak for anyone but me and the people that I KNOW personally that have said something. Well, not so many others bother posting anymore it seems, largely because of what happened with Alpine awhile back, and that so many of you blast any negative comments made that don’t particularly fall in line with your views on whatever is new and Joe.
As I’ve also stated more than once, elsewhere on similar RENEGADES threads, I have held off on making ANY comments about the series, until just recently, when I’d finally had enough of the “much ado about nothing” really, plus the absolutely UNIMPRESSIVE designs and animation. In all fairness to RENEGADES, I’ve given it MONTHS to turn into something that might impress me and somehow, hopefully improve before I spoke up, but it hasn’t gotten ANY better at all, worse if anything, because now we are seeing just how bad the show is likely to be when it finally releases. Personally, I am rather disappointed, because I did have hopes for it to be really good…I shouldn’t be surprised though. Thanks, Hasbro. At least we have one whole run of PoC before it gets $#!tcanned early next year.
As for comparing a kiddie cartoon to slavery, well, once again, you’ve completely missed my point with what I was saying. So, let me clear this up for everyone, including those whom should at least have something more to say than, “What he said. sheesh.”, to paraphrase.
The slavery comparison didn’t have anything to do with the cartoon, per se, but more to do with the fact that there are so many yes men willing to just take whatever crap Hasbro deems fit to dish out to the fans, rather than speak out against it and be heard that something could be done better. No one is saying that you have to complain and bitch about every single little detail, because that would be absurd, but there REALLY needs to be some standard level of quality across the board that they need to adhere to, whether it be toys, cartoons, comics or what have you. To give us junky animation and poor design concepts for this cartoon (to save a buck) and then try to convince everyone that it’s great stuff and expect everyone to swallow that pill, is just proof of how gullible Hasbro believes the fans to be in general, if not in entirety. Although, there seem to be a good many of you proving them right, and thereby proving me right as well. Ooooh, bitter sweet irony. Ouch.
Additionally, if this cartoon is being pimped out to 7 year olds specifically, then why are you guys getting so excited/defensive about it, depending upon what was said? I didn’t slam any 7 year olds that I’m aware of, if anything, it had to have been adults. I seriously doubt that there are any 7 year olds posting and following the daily developments of RENEGADES on this site, because they are sooo psyched to see this cartoon. Highly unklikely at best. No, my comments were directed squarely at adults who are far too excited about a kiddie cartoon [as it has just been pointed out to us, (well, me specifically, lol)] that is apparently being targeted towards 7 year olds. The cartoon itself isn’t slavery. Hasbro isn’t a slaver (to my knowledge, but what happens overseas, stays overseas, lol). Lastly, 7 year olds aren’t slaves, although, it would seem that a good many of the adults apparently ARE slaves to anything Joe, and thereby refuse to speak up and let Hasbro know that not everything is as terrific as they try so hard to convince us it is. Sad really, but would it have made more sense to you if I had said that a good many fans were happy to bend over and take it from Hasbro without very much resistance at all? I very much doubt it.
Next time, please do try not to put words in our mouths, well at least not in mine, just because what we have to say doesn’t jibe with what you’d all LIKE us to be saying. I won’t speak for HW, but I for one am still not accepting the 2 second flash fest as being a cool anything. That was merely the bits they had especially doctored to draw people in, that DOESN’T mean it will be good at all. The best looking bit in that fast flash preview was My Little Pony, lol.
Anywho, this wasn’t meant as an insult to you Justin, but you have to understand why we think what we do about it…right? It is my sincerest hope that you really aren’t so blinded by excitement over this that you’re willing to take our comments so personally all the time when we don’t agree with you on a lot of this stuff. It really isn’t personal, it’s an opinion or three. Surely we can simply agree to disagree, if nothing else?
At this point, I wish Renegades didn’t exist, just so that I wouldn’t have to keep hearing this asinine whining over a cartoon that is intended to bring in a new audience, namely children, not collectors. I personally have no issues with what I’ve seen so far character design and animation wise… also in regards to the original cartoons, they did have better options they could have gone with, none of the animation for the original series was done in the US. It was all licensed out by a Sunbow to animators in Japan and South Korea, so yes, they could have done better, but they didn’t. They chose the studio that would give them the best bang for their buck, and it’s the same with Renegades. Honestly, to me Rengades looks better than a large portion of the trash that’s being put out these days, and in my opinion better than Sigma 6, which was put out by Gonzo, one of the leading Japanese animation studios. Am I a yes man for thinking this way? No. I just have a differing set of standards and opinions.
Could it have been done better? Sure, but by that same standard Resolute could have been done better, or Citizen Kane. Every one is entitled to believe what they want, if you hate this cartoon for it’s aesthetic choices… cool. Don’t watch it. If it flops, then hey, guess what? You won’t ever have to deal with it again. It’s a kid’s cartoon for Pete’s sake… writing manifestos on how it should be different is just wasting your time. Adults are going to make up a very tiny, albeit vocal, part of it’s success or demise ratings wise. But hey, if you want to complain about the cartoon, go right ahead, n one should stop you, it’s your opinion and you have every right to it. That being said, and this goes for supporters and haters alike, ranting, raving, and personal attacks only get you so far and in the end just make both sides look like lunatics.
Wait, wait, wait… Batman Beyond?!? NICE!!
Dear Almighty in Heaven,
Can you please have Hasbro issue out some 1/18th/3 3/4″ Batman Beyond figures? That would be kind of freaking sweet. …and, while they were at it, if they could make DECENT DC figures of the same scale, that would be groovy, too. Thanks much, Amen.
…and, Joe ‘fans’. They make me chuckle.
What bugs me, Silent Master, is that first of all, you are totally invalidating my opinion by calling me a “Yes-Man”. I am talking positively about Renegades because I THINK IT LOOKS COOL. Just because I think differently than you doesn’t make me a “yes man” who likes everything that gets shoved down our throats.
Do you remember the 25th Anniversary line? I distinctly remember getting some serious hate on these pages because I DIDN’T like a lot of the Anniversary concepts or product. I certainly wasn’t a “yes man” during those times, and I got just as much heat for it.
As hard as it is for some folks to believe, I like what I like, I’m sorry. I don’t like things simply because they say “G.I. Joe” and no, I’m not going to stop talking about it just because a select vocal few think it’s a waste of their time.
I have never attacked anyone for their opinion, all I ever ask is that people give it a fair shake before dismissing it, and if you’re going to dismiss it, try to do so with a modicom of respect. I’m sure comparing the artist’s work to 6-year olds and chimpanzees is going to make him really appreciate your “constructive” criticism. You want respect? Give respect.
That’s about all I’m going to say about it, I’m sick of repeating myself.
Justin, I know your above comment was aimed at SM however I just wanted to point this out :
“I have never attacked anyone for their opinion, all I ever ask is that people give it a fair shake before dismissing it”
But you are attacking my opinion. When I post that I don’t like something I do so because I’m unhappy and frustrated for the very reason that this franchise means so much to me. So when I write what I’ve seen of this cartoon is already so bad that I don’t even want to see it, how is that NOT a valid opinion in your eyes?
Because I haven’t sat down and watched an episode??? That’s ridiculous. That’s akin to saying no one has the right to say they don’t like a figure unless they’ve actually bought it and taken it out of packaging.
Different things are important to different people, to me the visual aspect is HUGE. I’m a huge fan of art. Case in point I am addicted to Magic cards because of the cool art, but refused to buy them in their first few years because I thought the art was so bad I didn’t want it in my house. That’s my opinion. Lots of other people I know liked the art better in those days. Fine.
But I’m upset about how this cartoon has turned out. I thought this was a place for all opinions? Yes, I sometimes go overboard and say something is complete garbage. And that annoys people. I know. You don’t think it annoys in the reverse? Thinking something is crap and having others gush over how cool it is? So why is the for opinion so much more favoured here than the against opinion? Why is it considered so much more valid? And the roles do reverse at times where I really love something that most don’t like (the new HISS tank being a good example).
Addressing more than just Justin here, I do not think you guys are aware that you do the same thing we “supposed nay-sayers” do. You use language and terms that try to invalidate our opinions. “whiners” or “assinine comments”. Because we don’t agree with you? Yes, that’s exactly what makes us term you yes-men, because anyone who doesn’t fall in line gets labelled these ludicrous terms like “conspiracy theorist”.
And don’t even get me started on the it’s made for kids crap. What kind of lame ass excuse is that? It’s ALL made for kids. Everything on this site is for kids coveted by adults so don’t think yourself any different, we’re all in the same boat. Going all gaga over something shows the same interest as getting all upset over it.
I know everytime I post something negative over a topic that I’m at risk of coming back to the site and having ten posts about what I wrote being crap. That’s not a good feeling. But I feel moved to express my opinion among fellow fans, whether it be good or bad.
If that sort of thing is not welcome here, please let me know now, and I’ll be done with it.
Open opinions are welcome here, you know that. I understand how you feel, but look at it from my perspective. Every single time I put a post about Renegades up here, I get a 1000 word Silent Master missive about how terrible it is and how I’m a “yes man” because I dare to support it. How do you think that makes ME feel? Everyone is open to their own opinion, good or bad, but I will not sit here and let other folks’ opinions be belittled, and that is exactly what I feel like SM is doing, which is why I picked him out specifically and wasn’t necessarily directing anything at you.
Of course the positive folks and the negative folks all have their own opinions, and knowing you like I do, Hawkwinter, I can appreciate how important the art style is to you. Also realize that the concept art is art in the very early stages, and may look different by the time the actual cartoon is on the air, which is another reason I try and encourage patience.
Just as I would for the toys themselves, of course. Yes, I think you can tell a toy is crap by the pictures, but I wouldn’t want you to judge a toy by PRE-PRODUCTION images because they don’t represent the final product. Lots can change in the production phases, and the same holds true for an animated property.
You guys have been pouncing on me for going on two weeks now, and I haven’t said a thing about it, because I want you to feel like you can express your opinion. But you gotta admit Silent Master is going a bit overboard, and really, me getting ganged up on every time I post something about the series (and these posts have NOT necessarily had a positive slant, they are merely news reports) is getting really old really fast.
“How is that NOT a valid opinion in your eyes? Because I haven’t sat down and watched an episode??? That’s ridiculous. That’s akin to saying no one has the right to say they don’t like a figure unless they’ve actually bought it and taken it out of packaging.”
I don’t think it’s even *remotely* ridiculous. A cartoon is more than a few stills and brief character bios. (i.e. all that we’ve seen thus far). It’s about character design, yes, but also animation, voice acting, music/sound effects, plot, dialogue, and more, all mixed together in a sum greater than any of its single parts. Now we have seen hardly any of these things; we have even seen a decent clip yet! And that’s why your toy analogy doesn’t work. Yes, if you have seen clear pictures of a production level toy, and don’t like it, you are perfectly reasonable in then not wanting to buy. And that’s because you have seen pretty much *all* there is to the toy. But we have not seen anything near to all there is to Renegades, and so to dismiss it entirely as “absolute garbage” is not to be reasonable. And side note: it’s one thing to say you don’t like something, it’s another thing to be vitriolic, calling things garbage and such. If you were to use less intense language, language that didn’t, say, imply others liked garbage, I think you’d find you’d be attacked less (to the extent you were even attacked).
And just to put my cards on the table: I’m far from thrilled with everything I’ve seen about Renegades so far. I would have *much* preferred an animation style along the lines of Resolute and I fear that the figures might be done up in that style a la Clone Wars of TF Animated. However the voice acting sounds solid and it looks like they’ve got some decent writers aboard, which is key. Resolute looked great, but I found the story pretty generic and at times rushed, and it eventually left a bad taste in my mouth because of it.
Okay, Justin, you feel like you’re being ganged up on my one guy, just because you don’t like my opinion or that because what I have to say makes you feel attacked, or belittles you, or whatever? Well, welcome to the world of the people who don’t go gaga over every little thing (figuratively speaking) that is GI Joe. You have your own little gang of folks who do EXACTLY the same thing to me/us, when we disagree with you on what WE think is good or cool.
Simply put, if you don’t want varied or differing opinions on here from what you and your cohorts like, then you shouldn’t actively support this option at the beginning of EVERY single thread post. Otherwise, you should be prepared to entertain even the things you don’t like to hear because it hits a little too close to your comfort zone. If you don’t want my opinion on here, then why don’t you just tell me that you don’t want it, and thereby let everyone know that not all opinions are valid, only those that agree with you. I’ll stop posting if that’s what you want, no problem at all. Then things can go right back to the boring oblivion that they seem to have slipped into over the last months.
Also, I will point out once again, that I have been very quiet over the last months/weeks as you continually pumped out your RENEGADES reports, that basically haven’t told us anything of importance or real relevance. It was only in the last couple of weeks that I have even bothered to post about it, after giving plenty of room to see where things are going, and even then, it has only been a small handful of posts about RENEGADES. Up until then, I never said one word about it, good or bad, but I notice you have been VERY quick to attack me for the negative points that do not agree with your “coolness” level. At the sametime, however, I also notice that you are COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that I’ve not just automatically jumped into the fray bashing RENEGADES as soon as it became a reality. I gave it time to impress or disappoint me before saying anything at all, in HOPES that I might actually end up liking the thing. So much for being even handed before attacking me on a personal level, just because I haven’t seen one shred of anything that even remotely looks decent to me, as both artist and fan. Why can’t you understand this? I can understand you’re excited and giddy about it becausee it appeals to YOU, now try understanding why HW and I would think it doesn’t.
As for the animation not being in a finished stage, and lots more work being done to it before it is completed, well, duh. But I’ve been around long enough and watched enough cartoons/comics or whatever being produced to know that this thing is showing us bits at a close enough stage now that there isn’t a whole lot more that can be done between now and December to improve it to a palpable level, whereas figures can be tweaked right up until shipping, and the basic figure itself is done, like Zartan and Ripcord/Sky Dive, basically identical and done, but the changes didn’t really affect things to a level that this animation needs to be worked on to be the quality that HW and I would be interested in watching it. I really don’t know why you guys cannot grasp that aspect of what we have been saying, rather than taking everything so personally.
Justin, you know how HW feels about the artwork, why can’t you understand that I happen to be the same way, considering that I am also an artist? You understand him, now understand me. I happen to agree with everything HW has said up to now, as well.
You say you’re upset because you think I’m calling you a “yes man” because you happen to think the art and design that I FEEL is less than adequate, is oh so very cool? No. The yes man stuff comes from the fact that everytime anyone says they don’t like it, you are posting some big new detail about RENEGADES (or whatever else may apply) in an attempt to convince those of us who don’t like it, that it will somehow miraculously become “cool” and we’ll agree with you. When you constantly do this, it’s just the same as being a yes man and telling us our opposing view is irrelevant because we disagree.
You feel attacked by my “1,000 word missives”, but you don’t seem bothered by your onslaught of RENEGADES/Hub threads that you are drowning folks like HW and myself with who disagree with your viewpoints on the matter. Try saving up a few things and then post one thread with all relevant info to dilute the waters a bit for those of us who are completely burnt out on this thing before it has even started. Whether you realize it or not, you are doing the same thing as HW and I with our “negative” comments, by overdoing it with so much “positivity” on the subject and turning some people away. Like I said, I was quiet about it and was content to just let it go and see if it impressed me somehow so I’d like it, but your constant RENEGADES barrage finally was just too much and so we spoke out, and now you feel ganged up on and that our opinions have somehow invalidated your own because YOU are the one who chooses to continually assault us with more RENEGADEY Goodness just because you are over infatuated with it and cannot see the damage you yourself are causing, by stirring us to speak out and let folks know that NOT EVERYONE thinks it is so hot as you do. I mean, if I didn’t know any better, I’d almost think that Generalsjoes was actually part of the HUB with such a massive amount of Hub/RENEGADES content, however, since you are not also pimping the crappy Transformers “cartoon”, My Little Pony or any of the rest, I guess it’s still Generalsjoes, just without differing opinions being allowed now.
If I have anyone’s respect, I’d rather it be because they appreciate the fact that I say what I think and don’t just go with the flow because everyone else does, and that I have my own opinions and that I will stick to them unless or until something sways me otherwise to choose such a change, not just because it is popular or I don’t want to be picked on by those who don’t agree with me. If you or anyone else can’t respect that, well, it’s not really a problem for me, just understand that because I bag on certain things I don’t like, doesn’t make it a personal attack on you or anyone else who may like it. It’s called satirical humor, not personal vendetta.
If you think I’ve picked on you or ganged up on you over anything I’ve said, then I apologize for giving you that impression, but that’s not what has happened, at least not from my intentions or perspective. Still, if you don’t want me to post my opinions anymore, just give the word and you won’t see another one. Otherwise, at least appreciate that there is some actual discussion going on and not just a “yes fest” of nothingness.
Oh, and one more thing, JUST because a couple of us speak up in defiance of what you and the rest of your lads think is cool or great, doesn’t mean there aren’t a whole lot more, it just means they don’t take the time to be heard, usually because they don’t feel like being attacked for disagreeing with you guys so often. Me? I don’t mind because I can handle a good discussion. Other people won’t speak up anymore because they are tired of being dogged by you guys who are always on the Hasbro bandwagon, it seems like anyway, even if you really aren’t. For the record, I wasn’t around when you were getting blasted for not liking the 25th stuff, so I just have to take your word for it.
You like what you like, and I don’t have a problem with that, especially since this is your site and you’re the king of it. I can respect that much. On the flip siide, you might try to understand that I like what I like and as it happens, this time around, I don’t like RENEGADES and continually hearing endless reports of insignificant tidbits and updates one after the other on virtually a DAILY basis, is getting very old and is on the verge of killing the cartoon COMPLETELY for me, and the hobby, and well, pretty much everything. Also, I never said you shouldn’t post about it, I merely suggest that you bring it down a few notches for the handful of us who still bother posting and showing interest at all, before we don’t care about the hobby anymore. I know you aren’t trying to run anyone off from the hobby or from giving Hasbro money, but you’re getting there, no offense.
As for belittling anyone because of their opinion, not really seeing how it is any different for you to single me out here (for supposedly doing this) when I’ve seen you sit back and let me be personally attacked and belittled in the past by other posters, one in particular springs to mind… So thanks for sticking up for me over there, because that makes you singling me out here so much more even and unbiased.
Well, that’s it for this “1,000 word missive”, enjoy, but try not to feel attacked or anything. I’m just expressing my own opinions in my own defense, but I can’t control just how personal they will be taken. Apologies for that.
Back to your regularly scheduled program already delayed in progress!
Fred VIII said : “But we have not seen anything near to all there is to Renegades, and so to dismiss it entirely as “absolute garbage” is not to be reasonable.”
Just to clarify, I didn’t say that. What I said was that it was the first time we had seen “footage” that didn’t look like absolute garbage. That’s honestly my opinion. And given as you point out that we haven’t seen much footage yet, it can be seen as a good sign.
And to get back to my figure analogy, I do feel it’s apt. I’ve many times disliked a figure I’ve seen in stores on the pegs, even pics of in action, all geared up, and then once I owned it, found myself really liking it. In fact, I’ve read similar words in several of Justins reviews. It happens. So you can’t see everything about a figure in pics or even package.
However, if something about the said product annoys you so much you can’t get over it, it is appropriate to say you won’t like it no matter what. This is how I feel about the art of Renegades. I personally have said nothing about the story, voice actors and all that because like you guys I don’t know. I “get” that the art isn’t all that important to most of you, it’s just part of the deal, and that’s cool.
But given the fact that I would need to go out of my way to see this cartoon, the art has indeed ruined it for me.
@Justin
I’m sorry if you feel like Silent Master and I have “ganged up” on you but that’s not what has happened, I promise you that. Except for way back when the first art was revealed and I commented, the only other time I said anything was regarding no one posting on any Renegades articles and that maybe you shouldn’t bother putting so much effort into the whole thing as not many people “appear” to be interested. Besides this thread here, the only other time I interacted with Silent Master was to comment on one of his scathing posts and how it had made me laugh, especially the disclaimer he had on that one.
That’s it. Silent Master and I feel generally the same about Joe things so sometimes it may seem like we’re doing planned attacks or something, but that has never been the case.
And my respect still remains for my fellow Joe fan. If I stopped giving you my honest opinion, then my respect would be gone.
On the other hand, I don’t like aggravating people, so I’ll stop commenting on Renegades cartoon news from here on in. I’ll wait and see what the Renegades toys bring us, there may be a silver lining in all of this yet.